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Fix the manage Relations View
When you create or edit a relation there is a field to enter a name for the relation.
As far as I can tell this name is used NO place,.

Looking at the Manage Relations view, it shows the relation its self, either a set.... or a Select.... statement. When there are a lot of relations on a table its really hard to find the one you need. Especially if you are coming back to it after months.

If the Name of the relations were displayed, Relations could be named something that makes sense in a programming prospective. Making it much easier to find them.

ID
868
Category
TeamDesk
Author

cooper collier
Date Created
5/18/2015 12:39:36 PM
Date Updated
5/26/2015 9:31:11 AM
Status
Implemented
Score
40
Promoted By
basenineKelly WatersPhilipp Matuschka
cooper collier
Comments
Slava Shinderov  Staff  5/25/2015 8:04:49 AM
@All we've altered our code to display "Alternative Name" instead of "Table Name" for selections where possible.
I guess, that will help to find correct detail/relation when you've multiple selections from one table.
cooper collier  5/25/2015 9:36:50 AM
I do not understand..
here is the relations for my table.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9d0cbvmut2twsnp/relations.png?dl=0

this is the details for the relation
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v2qmd4ysdzccxn8/relation-detail.png?dl=0

Looking at the details, the relation has a name. (this seems to only be used as a box in the detail page. We typically do not bother typing in this box, because its simply not used anywhere....)

i also see the alternative view. it is used as the label when viewing records. Its very handy for the user. We use it all the time.

Neither of them help with programming.

I look in relations and there is a list of relations.
as the complexity grows, I may link to the "pro facility" table multiple times.

So I can look down the list and see the name. "Pro Facility, list of Pharmacies for the home" or
"ProFacility, main medical clinic "... NO! I cannot do that..

We have to carefully read down the list, and count, and make sure its the exact one.
(I know its a minor thing, but you have the relation name field already, its just not used anywhere?"

I have already accidentally picked the wrong one.
So far that has only happened with lookups.

So the users contact us, "why is it displaying a list of "florists" in the "dental" section.

OH wow, Hmmm, Let me look... one second..
"oops, click click, fix click fix"
HEY, I see, you must of accidentally displayed the wrong sub-index in the time capacitor field.

USER: "what?"

ME: just try try it again...

USER: Oh wow, its correct now, Sorry to bug you.

ME: No problem, that's what i am here for!!


Slava Shinderov  Staff  5/25/2015 11:49:40 AM
@Coopier system uses "Alternative Name" for "Selections" not for "References" section.
From our standpoint, we think that reference columns from "References" section are self descriptive, so we don't use any special "name" from relations here.
cooper collier  5/25/2015 12:25:37 PM
Fine: Your not going to change it.
It was a suggestion, not a demand.
Maybe i am the only person who noticed it.

For the record, its not self evident at all.
""Also I do not understand why you keep mentioning "alternate name" the alternate name is not the issue, I never mentioned it. It has no bearing on this at all.
If you're suggestion, we look at the alt name to decide what the relationis used for. That's really not helpful at all. In most cases the Alternative name is set to what the users want, its meaningless for programming."

on this screenshot
https://www.dropbox.com/s/irfc0345hq62dtw/relation%202.png?dl=0

I really have no clue what each of the marked relations is used for.
In fact I do not remember the details of most of the relations. I need to edit each relation and look at the linked tables, to remind myself what it why I made it.

when making any type of relation, there is a field on the very top, called NAME...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7ybs1te5pi7tah/relation%203.png?dl=0


If your not going to use the Name anywhere, just remove it, its pointless..

I bill by the hour, so I guess its OK to have to dig around every once in awhile.






basenine 5/25/2015 8:13:29 PM
I can't seem to get the Alternate name to show up in the Selections list either Slava.

Maybe a lost in translation example going on here...

This feature request is for SETUP. The Name field (under the Relation Type section) is only visible when editing the relation. We would like to be able to see this Name in the Views list of Relations in the Manage Relations section of SETUP.
The screenshot that I shared with you yesterday is of the relations in SETUP mode.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w8h2UhR8arGwQQCcKpELGnL-rcC4fEME4Q/view?usp=sharing

The Description Field in the view displays nothing but this is where it would be handy to show the data entered into the Name field

basenine 5/25/2015 8:19:46 PM
By...lost in translation....

I mean maybe we're not explaining ourselves clearly enough 😃

cooper collier  5/25/2015 8:46:56 PM
Amazingly, just seconds before Basenine commented, i noticed, that there is actually someplace that the Name of a relation is used..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8m3wfyyipmlcnog/relation%204.png?dl=0

if you look at a column details page, If the column is used in a relation. the relations are listed on the bottom. This displays the name..

Considering that the name is shown here, but is not shown in the list of relations, it makes it just a little bit more confusing.

ps.. basenine I am glad you understand what i am saying, thanks!
basenine 5/25/2015 9:21:39 PM
I now also realise that the Description is for the Summary/Lookup columns...hence another reason why TD support may be getting our request muddled up.

To clarify: The Name field when editing a Relation needs to be visible on the the page that displays all of the relations.
Slava Shinderov  Staff  5/26/2015 4:37:05 AM
@All from now on system displays relation name for references and selections if it's not blank.
basenine 5/26/2015 4:43:37 AM
That works much better. Thank you Slava
cooper collier  5/26/2015 9:31:11 AM
PERFECT!!! THANK YOU!

that is a godsend for programming.
I am sure, all the programmers will shower you with gratitude!

I have been having a rotten, "second Monday"! Now I can have a little secret smile as everyone around here is yelling at me.



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